See, my problem is that TLG never gave the Black Knights a torso strictly their own, they instead just used the generic chainmail and breastplate printings. Yeah, I like that idea, they complement each other nicely. I'm hoping to make some good progress for the CCC XVIII and will have some MOCs posted in the next couple months. They are definitely not Dragon Master or Black Knights but rather citizens of this part of the world who fly under a dragon banner. but will also have different arm colors (no blues). They will use both DM and BK shields/flags/etc. In Guilds of Historica, I'm slowly working towards a contingent of soldiers that defend a region. If I were doing a true Dragon Masters or Black Knights build, I would keep those parts separate. This is something I've pondered in my head and have mostly settled on the idea that it is ok to equip Black Knights with Dragon Masters together if I'm not trying to represent the official LEGO factions. in the second poster it clearly shows the new young king of the Black Knights leading an army to dislodge Majisto, but they failed. Becoming Majisto's loyal cronies, they would have no problem attacking their former brethren.
Maybe I didn't make it clear in my first post, but I think that the Dragon Master's soldiers and 'generals' could have been disgruntled Black Knights who were fed up with a boring job or low wages and were found by Majisto and offered a job, which explains the similarities in the shields. Further evidence he is the late king's young son. I say that the power vacuum was filled by the Black Monarch's son, the guy with the white plumes in 6086 Black Knight's Castle, which, one an interesting side note, is the only Black Knight with the visored helm to not have a mustache. As of Dragon Masters and Black Knights fighting eachother, well those are renegade Black Knights, who revolted against Majisto's rule, they kept their old faction's name and heraldry. And the ghost of Black Monarch Castle is Black Monarch himself, who died and left a power vacuum, which was filled by Majisto and his Dragons. In my headcanon, Dragon Masters were the successors of Black Knights, hence the similar coat of arms. If you read that whole article, thanks for listening to the mad rant of a Lego Classic Castle fan! I'd love to see other people's opinions and why they think the factions are the same. But I will never equip my Black Knights with DM shields. My conclusion: Lego was just being lazy and re-used the same shield print with different colors. Now, I'm open to the idea that the Dragon Master's soldiers and 'generals' (the guys with the ostentatious helm and plumes) are disgruntled Black Knights who were fed up with a boring job or low wages and were found by Majisto and offered a job, but I don't like the fact that some people just combine the two and pretend they are one faction. Can the powerful Black Knights and the cunning Wolfpack stop their reign?" I can understand the claim that both are the same faction if the Dragon Masters just re-used the chainmail, breastplate printings, and the visored helm of the Black Knights, but they didn't.īesides, the first catalogs states: " Here ye, Here ye, The Dragon Masters have arrived! Led by Majisto the Wizard and his glow-in-the-dark wand, they control the fierce flying dragons. The Dragon Masters received 3 completely new torso designs and a new helm to boot: and the new helmet: I'm not sure why the Dragon Masters and the Black Knights would attack each other if they were on the same team? Also, If you take a closer look at the top of the second image, the symbols for the two factions are different not just in color but in design as well. The Black Knights have been shown to attack the Dragon Masters and vice versa in official Lego catalogs such as here: That's basically where the similarities end. However, the Dragon Masters use a red outline and the Black Knights use a blue, the same primary color of their dragon. The main reason (to my knowledge) why people claim the Black Knights and Dragon Masters are one and the same faction is the similarities in their shields:ĭragon Masters: And the Black Knights: Both use the same print of a wyvren and both use similar colors: the Masters using green, red, and yellow, and the Knights using blue, red and yellow. There, you were warned!Īre the Black Knights and the Dragon Masters the same faction? I have to answer that question with a "No, they are not", and here is why: Now, as a huge Black Knights fan, I am going to be biased. I have finally become a member or Eurobricks, after lurking for quite a while.įor my first topic post, I wanted to share my opinion of the long-going dispute of whether the Black Knights and the Dragon Masters are the same.
Hello, my name is John Cromwell, the former Earl of Wolf.
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